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	<title>Comments on: SideWiki, Reframe It, Diigo: Considering Competing Web Annotation Systems</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Kehoe</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4544</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kehoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cool Julie - we&#039;d love your feedback. In a way we&#039;re trying to make a tool for folks like you - because folks like you sound a lot like us and our own frustrations with these services! :) Like I say, we&#039;re kind of raw still, but the core of our tech is there and undergoing constant refinement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you need any help with it or just want to chat privately, please drop me a mail - peterk at yaytrail.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool Julie &#8211; we&#8217;d love your feedback. In a way we&#8217;re trying to make a tool for folks like you &#8211; because folks like you sound a lot like us and our own frustrations with these services! <img src='http://www.profhacker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Like I say, we&#8217;re kind of raw still, but the core of our tech is there and undergoing constant refinement.</p>

<p>If you need any help with it or just want to chat privately, please drop me a mail &#8211; peterk at yaytrail.com</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Julie Meloni</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4543</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Meloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As the author of this post, and one who does watch technologies pretty darn closely as they develop (and I am a developer myself), of course I&#039;m always happy to hear about new models for interaction.  I think anyone who reads my post closely will note that I&#039;m not exceptionally (or even really mildly) pleased with any of the systems I talked about--some for reasons of interface, some for reasons of data storage, etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Peter, you&#039;re absolutely right about the consistent rehash of similar concepts, actions, and interfaces in the current popular annotation systems (I consider CommentPress something altogether different).  I&#039;ll definitely be downloading the YayTrail extension at some point soon based on the description in your penultimate paragraph, and I&#039;ll give it a thorough eval (understanding its limited preview development stage).  If it truly is something new and exciting, I&#039;ll certainly do my best to make sure people know about it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the author of this post, and one who does watch technologies pretty darn closely as they develop (and I am a developer myself), of course I&#8217;m always happy to hear about new models for interaction.  I think anyone who reads my post closely will note that I&#8217;m not exceptionally (or even really mildly) pleased with any of the systems I talked about&#8211;some for reasons of interface, some for reasons of data storage, etc.</p>

<p>Peter, you&#8217;re absolutely right about the consistent rehash of similar concepts, actions, and interfaces in the current popular annotation systems (I consider CommentPress something altogether different).  I&#8217;ll definitely be downloading the YayTrail extension at some point soon based on the description in your penultimate paragraph, and I&#8217;ll give it a thorough eval (understanding its limited preview development stage).  If it truly is something new and exciting, I&#8217;ll certainly do my best to make sure people know about it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Peter Kehoe</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4542</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kehoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey George,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tom&#039;s asked me to reply to you since I&#039;m the &#039;techie guy&#039; at YayTrail :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;ll be up to users to determine what kind of service suits them best, but I can point out how YayTrail differs from the services in your post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chiefly, it&#039;s interface. All of these services rely on two approaches - a sidebar in the browser or a layer on top of the webpage. The user&#039;s content lives in one or other of these spaces. It&#039;s the same approach that Third Voice initiated...all of these services are basically rehashing that core concept.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We love the idea of a universal, cross-website content platform, a way to &#039;mash up&#039; sites. But we disliked the implementations in these kinds of services. We didn&#039;t like that there&#039;s a big sidebar taking up screen real estate. We didn&#039;t like the idea of sticky-notes living on layers on top of - and often obscuring - the original page. We think these characteristics have kind of helped give annotation a bit of a bad name and limited more casual adoption and traction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So we decided to make a tool that strips away the things we didn&#039;t like about existing services. To do this, we&#039;ve worked on technology that allows the user to enhance pages in-line. The user&#039;s content lives as a native part of the page, not &#039;out-of-line&#039; in a side bar or non-native content layer. In the &#039;first layer&#039; as you put it. We think that gives a different level of control and power to the user, gives a different value to their content, and rids us of the heavyweight UI elements of previous services in one swoop. We let people share their enhancements with others...so you can follow people of interest, and their enhancements get merged into your view of the web. We don&#039;t see everyone&#039;s stuff, just the folks you want, which we think&#039;s important when you&#039;re giving this level of control to change and modify pages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re still really raw, but that&#039;s our vision. You can try out our preview if you wish, with FireFox. We simply think people have been recycling the core basis Third Voice started for too long now, we think one can do much better now with the browser tech and so on available today...so that&#039;s what we&#039;re trying to do :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey George,</p>

<p>Tom&#8217;s asked me to reply to you since I&#8217;m the &#8216;techie guy&#8217; at YayTrail <img src='http://www.profhacker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>I think it&#8217;ll be up to users to determine what kind of service suits them best, but I can point out how YayTrail differs from the services in your post.</p>

<p>Chiefly, it&#8217;s interface. All of these services rely on two approaches &#8211; a sidebar in the browser or a layer on top of the webpage. The user&#8217;s content lives in one or other of these spaces. It&#8217;s the same approach that Third Voice initiated&#8230;all of these services are basically rehashing that core concept.</p>

<p>We love the idea of a universal, cross-website content platform, a way to &#8216;mash up&#8217; sites. But we disliked the implementations in these kinds of services. We didn&#8217;t like that there&#8217;s a big sidebar taking up screen real estate. We didn&#8217;t like the idea of sticky-notes living on layers on top of &#8211; and often obscuring &#8211; the original page. We think these characteristics have kind of helped give annotation a bit of a bad name and limited more casual adoption and traction.</p>

<p>So we decided to make a tool that strips away the things we didn&#8217;t like about existing services. To do this, we&#8217;ve worked on technology that allows the user to enhance pages in-line. The user&#8217;s content lives as a native part of the page, not &#8216;out-of-line&#8217; in a side bar or non-native content layer. In the &#8216;first layer&#8217; as you put it. We think that gives a different level of control and power to the user, gives a different value to their content, and rids us of the heavyweight UI elements of previous services in one swoop. We let people share their enhancements with others&#8230;so you can follow people of interest, and their enhancements get merged into your view of the web. We don&#8217;t see everyone&#8217;s stuff, just the folks you want, which we think&#8217;s important when you&#8217;re giving this level of control to change and modify pages.</p>

<p>We&#8217;re still really raw, but that&#8217;s our vision. You can try out our preview if you wish, with FireFox. We simply think people have been recycling the core basis Third Voice started for too long now, we think one can do much better now with the browser tech and so on available today&#8230;so that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to do <img src='http://www.profhacker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: George H. Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4541</link>
		<dc:creator>George H. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thomas, what would make Yaytrail a better annotation system than those mentioned in this post?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, what would make Yaytrail a better annotation system than those mentioned in this post?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Thomas Kehoe</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4538</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Kehoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe the product that I offer will solve a lot if not all of the web annotation issues that you are looking at. The difference between the product that I will be launching by the end of Q1 2010 and existing products is that you can take charge of your own web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yaytrail is a tool that ushers in the era of the open and personal web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s an innovation that allows you to edit content anywhere on the web! Using Yaytrail, any webpage becomes an open and social space where you and your friends can add knowledge, opinions, ideas and insights, providing a definitive and personalised web experience that is created and edited by your peers. Everywhere you go, the collective intelligence of your friends will follow you!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yaytrail is simple - just click and type anywhere you want to make a personal stamp on the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yaytrail aggregates the trail of content created by you and your friends to help you discover new and interesting webpages and content, putting you in touch with what&#039;s hot right now on the web among your friends.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the product that I offer will solve a lot if not all of the web annotation issues that you are looking at. The difference between the product that I will be launching by the end of Q1 2010 and existing products is that you can take charge of your own web.</p>

<p>Yaytrail is a tool that ushers in the era of the open and personal web.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s an innovation that allows you to edit content anywhere on the web! Using Yaytrail, any webpage becomes an open and social space where you and your friends can add knowledge, opinions, ideas and insights, providing a definitive and personalised web experience that is created and edited by your peers. Everywhere you go, the collective intelligence of your friends will follow you!</p>

<p>Yaytrail is simple &#8211; just click and type anywhere you want to make a personal stamp on the web.</p>

<p>Yaytrail aggregates the trail of content created by you and your friends to help you discover new and interesting webpages and content, putting you in touch with what&#8217;s hot right now on the web among your friends.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: A better web-annotating mousetrap? « The History Channel This Is Not…</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-4481</link>
		<dc:creator>A better web-annotating mousetrap? « The History Channel This Is Not…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] about Diigo and its role in my classes, I know other websites (in particular ProfHacker) have done write-ups on other web-annotating tools like Google [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Todd Finley</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Finley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I keep coming back to this post. I&#039;ve been researching &quot;annotation tools&quot; for the last 15 months, and this piece was the most cogent bundle of information I&#039;ve read, yet! Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way, I have found Diigo to be the most useful tool since RSS feeds for discovering new tools that challenge my understanding of literacy or just delight (http://www.triptico.co.uk/flashFiles/randomSixteen/randomSixteen.html).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The quality of Profhacker is remarkable!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;tbf&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep coming back to this post. I&#8217;ve been researching &#8220;annotation tools&#8221; for the last 15 months, and this piece was the most cogent bundle of information I&#8217;ve read, yet! Thank you.</p>

<p>By the way, I have found Diigo to be the most useful tool since RSS feeds for discovering new tools that challenge my understanding of literacy or just delight (<a href="http://www.triptico.co.uk/flashFiles/randomSixteen/randomSixteen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.triptico.co.uk/flashFiles/randomSixteen/randomSixteen.html</a>).</p>

<p>The quality of Profhacker is remarkable!</p>

<p>tbf</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Snow Makes It Hard to Look Back: The ProfHacker Week in Review - ProfHacker.com</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-2150</link>
		<dc:creator>The Snow Makes It Hard to Look Back: The ProfHacker Week in Review - ProfHacker.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Amy and Alex launched a new series about how the various Google tools work.  I wondered what would prove the utility, rather than just awesomeness, of iPods or iPhones in the classroom.  We looked at tools: George gave an overview of ScreenSteps, for creating tutorials, I glanced at at Screenr, for making quick screencasts and distributing &#8216;em via Twitter, and Julie compared SideWiki, Reframe It, and Diigo. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amy and Alex launched a new series about how the various Google tools work.  I wondered what would prove the utility, rather than just awesomeness, of iPods or iPhones in the classroom.  We looked at tools: George gave an overview of ScreenSteps, for creating tutorials, I glanced at at Screenr, for making quick screencasts and distributing &#8216;em via Twitter, and Julie compared SideWiki, Reframe It, and Diigo. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Heather Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a nice review of a lot of products that are very similar. I have been looking for some sort of desktop client (for Mac) that would do the same. If I have a printed article I tend to write a lot of notes in the margins (for me, not as part of a community). I would like to be able to do this without having to print the articles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Diggo annoyed me in their initial days and I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;m ready to forgive them and I don&#039;t know that I want to feed the Google beast anymore of my life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That being said, I do think that these tools can be very useful for a lot of people.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice review of a lot of products that are very similar. I have been looking for some sort of desktop client (for Mac) that would do the same. If I have a printed article I tend to write a lot of notes in the margins (for me, not as part of a community). I would like to be able to do this without having to print the articles.</p>

<p>Diggo annoyed me in their initial days and I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;m ready to forgive them and I don&#8217;t know that I want to feed the Google beast anymore of my life.</p>

<p>That being said, I do think that these tools can be very useful for a lot of people.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Amazing Power of ProfHacker « The History Channel This Is Not…</title>
		<link>http://www.profhacker.com/2009/10/12/sidewiki-reframe-it-diigo-considering-competing-web-annotation-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>The Amazing Power of ProfHacker « The History Channel This Is Not…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] is the link to the original post that sparked this brief renaissance of interest in my summertime musings.    [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Academic Sandbox (the blog) &#187; At Prof. Hacker: SideWiki, Reframe It, Diigo: Considering Competing Web Annotation Systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>Academic Sandbox (the blog) &#187; At Prof. Hacker: SideWiki, Reframe It, Diigo: Considering Competing Web Annotation Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] So I wrote a little post at Prof. Hacker called SideWiki, Reframe It, Diigo: Considering Competing Web Annotation Systems. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention SideWiki, Reframe It, Diigo: Considering Competing Web Annotation Systems - ProfHacker.com -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by ProfHacker. ProfHacker said: New at ProfHacker: A smackdown between Sidewiki, Reframe It, and Diigo, by @jcmeloni: http://bit.ly/1mEkWj [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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